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Welcome to the Hamburg municipal office of the interior,...

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...to a press conference about the subject of Scientology.

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That's why all of you are here after all.

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If I may introduce...

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I probably won't have to introduce the lady next to me: Ursula Caberta,...

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...Scientology expert here with us in the office of the interior is probably known to all of you.

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Much more exciting is the gentleman next to her,...

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...Mark Rathbun, a high ranking defector from the organisation in the USA.

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He turned his back on the organisation since 2004.

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And he will report about Scientology's seat of power from his perspective, today.

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I'll turn the floor over to Caberta who will give you some introductory words.

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Our press spokesman can pronounce the difficult word already without blinking an eye.

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I'm proud of him!

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Welcome, I'm happy to see all of you.

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Before our guest speaks I'd like to...

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...say a few things still.

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Because, being committed to this assignment in Hamburg since 1992...

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...I believe no later than 1993 if not earlier...

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...was the name "Marty Rathbun" known to me.

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And if you struggle with the organisation internationally,...

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...you could not help hearing about his name.

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Back then, I'd have never thought it possible that the two of us...

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...would sit before the press...

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...in order to report about what's happening at international level,...

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...at upper management in the USA.

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I am so happy because for some time now, even for a number of years...

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- and some people might remember, others won't -

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I've always been of the opinion that the Scientology organisation...

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...through their chief David Miscavige at least since 1993...

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...has progressively radicalised.

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That David Miscavige belongs to one of the most dangerous persons of this world.

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It was under the leadership of David Miscavige...

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...that the government of the United States of America has been influenced such that...

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...we in Germany have to hear all the time that...

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...we would discriminate against and persecute people in the Scientology organisation.

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While really we're not doing anything else than...

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...what we hopefully will do together in the future, Marty Rathbun and I:

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That the crimes of David Miscavige occuring worldwide under his leadership,...

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his harrassment of critics and defectors which is run under his management are brought to light...

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...so as to maybe finally put an end to the spook of the Scientology organisation under David Miscavige.

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However from my point of view this will only succeed...

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...if we manage to make clear in the United States of America...

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...what kind of man they're really dealing with.

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And not only with him, but we'll have to be just as hard on his henchman Tom Cruise.

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A few other words on that...

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I'd be happy to relate more later concerning this matter.

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One thing surprised me...

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...with the tale of Marty Rathbun.

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As you know, I've been endeavouring for years...

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...to always contact those high ranking people who have left the organisation,...

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...to invite them to Hamburg so we get the complete picture of what is happening.

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I was flabbergasted, I thought the whole world would be pleased...

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...that Marty Rathbun would come to Hamburg and talk and work with us.

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But what's happening beforehand?

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I had to hear: "Marty Rathbun is still a Scientologist.

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Don't drive alone in the car with him.

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Marty Rathbun came to handle you."

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Can any of you on this planet imagine someone is going to persuade me...

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...to kneel before David Miscavige?

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Those absurd discussions that could be read on the net for the most part...

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...are so ridiculous.

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And as a basic rule concerining people leaving the organisation...

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...I've met alot of them and I was allowed to help many of them,...

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...not only in Germany but elsewhere.

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Not a single one of these people said after he had spoken to me:

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"Everything I did during my time at Scientology...

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...was damaging to me. There were things that helped me."

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And there were already many people here from the USA who said...

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...for me the organisation under David Miscavige is the common denominator that is to be fought together.

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But there are people that have decided to leave the organisation, and this is key,...

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...still think a bit nostalgically about Hubbard.

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This has never been, and to this day is not, my problem.

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If I were to hold the yardstick, that many on the net apply to Marty Rathbun's assertions...

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...and allege he's not out or whatever...

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If I had applied those standards to all those, I wouldn't have been able to help a single individual.

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Once more:

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This is about the organisation Scientology, internationally, right at the top,...

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...David Miscavige and his people with Tom Cruise leading the way,...

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all those who work in the US, in Germany and everywhere,...

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to make clear how dangerous this man is.

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...and showing them how this organisation works.

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And what those people are doing that quit the organisation...

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...and whether they keep their Hubbard dictionary under their pillow...

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...was never, and will not be of interest to me in the future.

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And if all these people are active independently from this organisation...

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...it would have never been necessary to set the OPC on Scientology.

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The Office for the Protection of the Constitution (OPC) surveils the organisation Scientology.

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It does NOT monitor members that have left the organisation,...

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...exchanging their experiences.

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The so called "Free Zone" consisting of former Scientologists is NOT being monitored by the OPC.

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I'm asking you to consider this and I'm saying this into a certain direction...

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...because lots of speculation is raging on the net including defamation.

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And one thing is clear: The strategy that is being driven by Scientology...

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...is to make Marty Rathbun untrustworthy so that we two won't meet.

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Both of us are sitting here, the strategy of the Scientology Organisation has failed.

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We will work together and educate...

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...about all the crimes and fraud that's been going on and still does on a daily basis,...

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...in the USA and in Europe.

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This was a bit longer but I was so pissed off about those stupid Emails...

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...that I had to get this off my heart first.

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Thank you.

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Oh, I am sorry, a warm welcome to Marty Rathbun.

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On this occasion I'd like to recall the Wikileaks papers...

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...where state councillor Ahlhaus nattered to the consulate general that Caberta was a little crazy.

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And that they wouldn't have to worry, one had Caberta under control.

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In this respect you could just take a look at the wikileaks papers...

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...they had direct contact even to former state councillor Ahlhaus.

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And hearing all this, I stopped being surprised long ago,...

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...it's just nice getting all those links confirmed one had always suspected.

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This is my advice and with this I think we'll get to the questions.

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Exactly. Fire those questions at Mr. Rathbun or Ms. Caberta.

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And let me suggest that following this Q&A we can agree on bilateral direct quotes.

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I'd like to address Ms. Caberta first and pause to think after all these informations.

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That we're sitting together here is a unique occasion.

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I think this must be a cesura in your fight against Scientology, could you elaborate, please?

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Well, first I'm happy and grateful that the new senator....

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...I said that already, I'm happy the Hamburg citizens voted splendidly...

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...and that I've got a senator again who does not rain on my parade...

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...but who gives me the opportunity to do things like this namely invite Mr. Rathbun.

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First of all it's not unimportant to recognize that...

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...things are happening and you can do you work...

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...when you've got political backing from your state government.

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Clearly, I have that again...

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...even if what we did before, based at our offices, isn't there anymore.

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But it is motivation to get back down to work.

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That Mr. Rathbun is sitting next to me today...

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...marks a turning point in our future work.

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In the future, we will have recourse to much more information,...

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...including the USA.

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I hope and I am certain...

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...that in the future together we can reach those people...

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...who have left Scientology already but were still hesitant to either turn to him,...

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...for those defamatory reasons I related in the beginning,...

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...or to turn to me...

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...because oftentimes the step of approaching the devil in person is too wide.

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But we must work at joining all the informations from different levels...

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...and to help those who need it to cope on the outside.

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And this is the key cesura that we hopefully advance internationally,...

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And, I may say so that, I hope that the federal government finally wakes up to the fact...

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...that the influence of the US government plays a large role in...

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...that we have no reasonable work about this organisation on a national level.

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I've seen a question from Mr. Balasko behind all those cameramen.

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Ms. Caberta, are you insinuating a certain proximity of Ahlhaus to Scientology or how do we have to take it?

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I did not allege Mr. Ahlhaus was close to Scientology.

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No, but Mr. Ahlhaus did - as you can read in news papers and since a couple of days on Wikileaks...

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Maybe I have to elaborate...

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Starting with the tax exemption of Scientology in the USA...

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...Scientology seems to be a kind of state religion in the United States of America.

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They have rights no other small religious community has.

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One would be surprised if one followed this situation.

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And from this point onward anyone occupying himself critically with the Scientology organisation...

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...or maybe helping breakaways on a governmental level...

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...one would eventually receive visitors from deputies of the consulates general or the embassy in Berlin.

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This was not only with me or my respective senators,...

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...my state colleagues from Baden-Württemberg report the same...

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...just as the district office in Berlin, which one was it again, Mr. Barthel?

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Charlottenburg.

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Because the colleagues there, where the new Scientology centre opened its doors,...

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...after the resolution of their democratic assembly...

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installed a warning poster and already diplomats are beating their path to the door.

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The representatives of the US government in Germany, and I know not only in Germany...

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...are practically used to curb the critical examination of the Scientology organisation on government level.

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And Mr. Ahlhaus was the first state councillor, later senator,...

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...where I know that he has not contacted me in any way about what the consulate general wanted from him,...

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...which practically complained about my occupation.

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All others before him at least told me...

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...the consul general wishes to talk with me, us or the governing authority about your work,...

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...about the conference we made or something else,...

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...so that you could give your view.

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And if Wikileaks, thanks to Mr. Assange, how is he by the way?

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Thanks to him I even learned via Wikileaks...

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...that Mr. Ahlhaus spoke to the consol general in Hamburg...

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...practically promising they can calm down.

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The whole controversy about Scientology will head south anyways.

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We won't get a majority for it, Ms. Caberta is a bit crazy and we've got her in sight.

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This was not the message, that's no assertion whatsoever against anyone at all.

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It's a declaration for the representatives, the consulate general...

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...of the United States of America which is then being cabled to the state department.

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These are things I would have never thought possible in this city with any state councillor so far.

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Again thank you to the Hamburg citizens, he's gone after all.

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Alright, Ms. Üner still has a question.

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Yes, I have a question for Mr. Rathbun. I'd ask in German.

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It will be translated.

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It is about the image of Germany that Scientology seems to be able to establish even in government circles...

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...what one can hardly imagine because you think a foreign minister is busy elsewhere...

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...and cannot actually be so impressionable.

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How does it work that the image of the German Nazi time can be transported...

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...and that something like this is being taken at face value.

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I'd like to...

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Because it sounds as if there was no influence yet on German politicians via celebrities...

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We have seen that as well.

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And in case someone thinks politicians of all people are not influenceable...

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...when celebrities appear on the scene and are befriending them, that's wrong.

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The example I'm going to name has actually been well known for a long time.

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I've always been talking about it but I am happy to tell it again so that we're not always looking at the USA...

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...but make our own picture about how it works because it does work here, too.

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In 1996, as some might remember, motioned by the SPD federal parliamentary party,...

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...a board of enquiry was established on sects and psych-cults.

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I was an expert member for the SPD back then.

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The Scientologists in the USA but also other groups started to protest against the...

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...formation of this board in the German Bundestag,...

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...saying all of this was discrimination and naturally Scientologists in particular...

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...would be starting again on Nazi Germany and similar arguments.

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And then the following happened:

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We have and had only one celebrity, an Austrian painter,...

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...who has always been a card-carrying Scientologist: Gottfried Helnwein.

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He now lives somewhere in Ireland.

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Back in the nineties he was very active for the Scientology organisation as a celebrity.

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In order to discredit the future work of the board of enquiry according to Scientology's interests...

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...this man began to say: He was only a painter.

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And he was afraid if all of that happened in Germany now...

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He was thinking about emigrating to the USA.

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So far so good.

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In this discussion, the then Bundestag vice president Antje Vollmer, leaps to his defense...

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...who said in a TV-show, Biolek it was,...

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...where Mr. Helnwein had the opportunity to relate gloomily...

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...that he as a painter had made three or four courses at Scientology...

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...is now being discriminated against so much that he wants to leave Germany for the USA.

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Thereupon says Ms. Antje Vollmer, mind you, even the vice president of German Bundestag back then:

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Look Mr. Biolek, this is how bad it is again in Germany.

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Artists need to leave this country.

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This means Ms. Vollmer drew based on the assertion of the Scientologist artist Helnwein,...

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...in one of the most prominent German TV-shows of its time,...

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this parallel to Nazi Germany that the Scientology organisation was spreading out of the USA,...

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...against Germany, against the educational work of the upcoming board of enquiry.

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This is the strategy. This is how it is run.

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This is how it is run in the USA as well as here.

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Ms. Antje Vollmer never was a Scientologist because of this.

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She was just friends with Gottfried Helnwein,...

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...who probably had the assignment from the USA...

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...to finally make sure that politicians from the German Federal Republic...

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...would propagate the defamation strategy against this work in Germany.

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This is what Antje Vollmer did.

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I don't know, she was a pastor. She seems to be somewhat unstable.

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Antje Vollmer was the figurehead for Scientology propaganda in the nineties.

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This is the most grave example, but there was another one.

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Tom Cruise with his Valkyrie movie, invited by the US embassy, when he was in Berlin.

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The US embassy invites key politicians from the interior committee and elsewhere.

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They all come running to finally shake hands with, oh heaven, Tom Cruise!

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Some women allegedly think he's handsome... whatever that's not the point.

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But they're [unintelligible] German embassy...

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...let themselves be [unintelligible] about his wonderful revision and don't grasp...

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...that they become tools in the strategy of one David Miscavige in the USA.

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It's not necessary to look at the USA.

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The same strategy is run at our place.

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And in my documents I have Tom Cruise's letter of thanks to the state department in the USA,...

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...saying: "Thank you guys for helping me in the countries of suppression",...

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...as he asserts correctly in his Scientology language.

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"To open the doors to me in the countries of suppression Belgium, France and Germany.

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To open the doors to me touting Scientology".

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This thank-you letter exists.

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Noone every cares. But people who suffer due to Tom Cruise's work do care.

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That's why I'm saying again: Miscavige and Tom Cruise...

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...are the one team for me where we finally have to clarify in public...

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...that these two men are highly dangerous.

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Now to Sascha Walaske.

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With an appeal for a short answer to Mr. Rathbun:

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Could you please relate your reason for your trip to Hamburg, why are you here?

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And did I understand you correctly that you turned your back on the organisation but not the ideology?

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Further questions.

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Ms. Üner?

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I wanted to say we all seem to be pressed for time, which is annoying.

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Well let's do it this way.

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I don't see any further questions anyways.

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I would close this round and open up for one-on-one interviews.

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Many thanks for your visit.

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Yes, this went nicely.